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Unraveling the Unsolved: Keith Roberson's Mysterious Texas Disappearance//Ep. 16 Part 1 of 2
This is the case of the disappearance of 26-year-old Caucasian male, stephen Keith Robertson, who was last seen on foot fleeing the scene of a two-car collision on an interstate in Sonora, texas, on September 5, 2018. This is the case which deserves more national attention, as Stephen, who goes by Keith, is still missing as of December 13, 2023. Join us as we try to ask some big questions, such as why is Keith still missing and why didn't the police take his mother's DNA when she asked and enter it into a database just to help aid the efforts in bringing Keith home?
Speaker 2:Welcome to True Crime and Headlines. I'm your host, Joe, and I'm your host.
Speaker 1:Jules. Hey, welcome back. We missed you. Thanks, it's good to be back. This is episode 16, part one of two missing in Texas, keith Robertson, and I am Jules, a former educator, and we are so happy to be back together. Joe, what are you?
Speaker 2:I'm a mental health professional most days, most days, I'm sorry, play on TV. Anyway, I'm playing on TV.
Speaker 1:We have been seeking out lesser known stories lately to share in hopes of helping those families and friends of victims be heard and feel seen in their grief and their journey on the road to justice for their loved ones. You guys, this case was recommended to us by a Texas resident who, after hearing our coverage on missing woman, kay Elana Turner, messaged us on Instagram at True Crime and Headlines, telling us that she knows about Keith's case and knows his mom, and the case sounded eerily similar to Kay Elana's story. Yeah, it's very interesting. I was able to connect with Keith's mother, sharmin Robertson, and after reading multiple articles, listening to podcast interviews with Sharmin, like on the podcast the Vanished, and then from emailing back and forth with Sharmin and then talking at length with her on the phone, I do feel like I have a pretty good overview of Keith's case. But, joe, I say overview because of this I don't think there's been enough investigation into Keith's whereabouts and I have to wonder if it's because of his past. We've seen that happen. We've absolutely seen that happen. So you ready to dive in? Let's do it.
Speaker 1:So Keith was born in Texas to mother Sharmin and father Keith, whom we will call Bubba from now on, and that is a nickname known to him. So from now on Keith's father is going to be known as Bubba. Keith's mother, sharmin, shared with me that Keith was a very likable kid growing up, very lovable, very kind, and Sharmin and Keith's father Bubba ended the romantic relationship actually before Keith was even born. She did relay to me that they tried to get back together for a little bit while Keith was a very young baby, but they ultimately divorced for a forever shortly after that. Keith's father was not a consistent presence in his life either, so Bubba didn't have a room for Keith at his own house. He didn't have clothes for Keith to wear when he came to visit or really anything to indicate a space of his own for Keith at his house. Now Keith had to pack all of his necessities to visit with his father, and it was reported to me that Bubba was allegedly involved in drugs as well, and his choice of drug was allegedly meth.
Speaker 2:Okay, Sharmin, do we know if Keith dabbled in substances at all? Yes, he did.
Speaker 1:Okay, and that will come into play. Okay, absolutely, and Sharmin did tell me that she believes Bubba did love Keith, but he was more able to do so behind the scenes. Around the time Keith was entering his formative years as a young teenager, his father was incarcerated locally and I know, joe, you've talked about how this is such an important time in development and I'm just wondering how this impacted Keith's decisions, and you'll know what I'm talking about coming up here very shortly. This happened to be around the time when Keith is only 13 years old and it's the same time that Sharmin reports she first became aware that Keith was doing drugs and now, you know, I'm curious about the correlation of the timing. Could it have triggered some kind of trauma in Keith and could he have been exposed and had easy access to drugs at Bubba's house?
Speaker 2:Well, did he?
Speaker 1:choose meth as well. Not known to Sharmin in the beginning, it was marijuana, to her knowledge, and that was around age 13?. Yes, and Sharmin is very, very open about the fact that Keith had his struggles with drugs and she doesn't want to sugarcoat it. She wants to share his story as open as she can, which I very much appreciate.
Speaker 2:Well, it's often a way to self-medicate right, and you've probably heard the term that marijuana is a gateway drug you alluded to. Maybe some other drugs came after that, but it's not uncommon for adolescents to start with marijuana. It's much easier to get and it's kind of looked positively upon a lot of times in adolescence.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, especially, you know, when you get into a certain circle of friends, all of a sudden. It's not something that's abnormal, it's just what we do. Yeah, what loses its luster to you? Do you think that's the gateway is okay? What's the next step? What's the next time? What can we do? What's bigger than this?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Things aren't as scary because you've already been doing marijuana and that you know it's not made necessarily giving you the euphoria that you want anymore, and so you kind of take the next step.
Speaker 1:I asked Sharman if Keith had any history. So I was thinking of you, joe, trying to go through all this. You've trained me fairly well. I asked Sharman if Keith had any history of mental health illness or if he had ever shown signs of depression, which you know that she was aware of, and she told me no and he never told her he was depressed. However, she did say that later on and she would observe when he was coming down from his highs he would seem very down and she was curious if maybe it was depression induced by coming down from the high Bingo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of times there's a rebound effect with marijuana, and so initially you kind of get the euphoria relaxed, calm, and then, when it starts to wear off or when you start to kind of go through a draw and cravings, there's a rebound anxiety and you feel kind of anxious. It also can be act as a depressant, and so it can bring your mood down. It's hard to convince adolescents of that though, because kind of in, the immediate response of marijuana is euphoria and calmness, and so it's really hard to convince them that the depression and the anxiety also come along with it, and it doesn't make everybody feel euphoric or calm. Sometimes, when somebody has baseline anxiety, it actually increases anxiety and will make them want to kind of kind of crawl out of their skin.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow. Well, I pushed her a little bit more. When I asked her about that, I did ask her if anyone in the family had been diagnosed with bipolar either type, and I asked this just knowing what we know about Kailana's story. If you haven't listened to that episode, please go and do so. It's such an important one and she's still missing to this day. But just to recap that really quickly we believe that she was having a bipolar manic episode and the behavior was fairly similar, but it could also be very similar to drug use, yeah, so early.
Speaker 2:we used to say that there's correlation between early marijuana use and psychosis or thought disorders and now we actually say that there's causation, which is pretty incredible to study support that. So early marijuana use causes psychosis, and psychosis can look like mania. It can look like a lot of different things, but it's very scary. I honestly wish that some of my adolescents that I see in my practice I could show them what psychosis looks like in everyday life, because I am confident that if that felt like a real possible outcome to them, maybe they wouldn't stop, they think twice about their use, may get more reality.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've had people thinking that there's cameras in my lap, light sockets or poison coming out of my vents or a whole slew of things and it's terrifying and there's nothing about that that makes life enjoyable.
Speaker 1:Is that just while they are under the effects?
Speaker 2:of it, so it becomes a long term paranoia.
Speaker 1:Psychosis is a long duration. How long does it have to be to be considered psychosis? The duration of the effect.
Speaker 2:There's not a time limit on it, it's just symptoms, right?
Speaker 1:Psychosis is the matter of symptoms A cluster of Well, when Sharman told me that he did not appear to have bipolar in her opinion, I then thought about how you taught us how first generation. The closer you are to somebody diagnosed with bipolar, or not even diagnosed somebody who has bipolar, the more likely you are to have it. Did I get that correct? Yeah, that's very true. And she said you know? I said well, anybody else in the family, and she said his dad.
Speaker 2:It would be hard if dad's doing meth Honestly, it would be hard to say that he is bipolar, because meth use is going to present very similar to a manic episode. And again we know that if we're using substances we can't in fact diagnose bipolar until we stop the substance and rule out that that's the cause. A manic episode and substance use with methamphetamines look very similar.
Speaker 1:And that is why, as a mental health professional in your field, you cannot ethically or accurately diagnose somebody with bipolar. If they are currently a substance user, absolutely Okay. That does make a lot of sense. What are the signs that a family member should look out for if they suspect someone has bipolar? Let's say the person is not on drugs. Yeah, they're not partaking in drugs. People listening, I feel like bipolar is so often misused as a term. Oh, this person has mood swings. Yes, so dismissive of people and their behaviors oh, they're bipolar.
Speaker 1:She changed her mind quickly. She's bipolar. Can you go into that just a little bit? It's one of my biggest pet peeves.
Speaker 2:I think, it's way out and I think I know that it's overdiagnosed and it's again overused. There's a lot of misconceptions about bipolar in our society. By definition, our DSM it is three to seven days with little to no sleep. We're talking like three hours or less. But we have more energy Sometimes.
Speaker 2:When you're grandiose or euphoric, sometimes a lot of irritability comes with that. You're more impulsive, so like more risky behaviors whether that's spending astronomical amounts of money or sexual behaviors that are not typical for you, or gambling different things like that, stealing, behaviors that would kind of get you in trouble with the law are incarcerated. You also are really goal directed, so like go here, go there, go, can't stop, go, go, go, go, go. With that Speech is often very pressured and fast paced and appetite sometimes will tank as well because you're just going 90 miles an hour and you don't really slow down.
Speaker 2:And if it's bipolar one, you can also have what I was mentioning before, some of that psychosis where you see things or hear things that aren't there, or you become delusional. You feel like things are happening that are not accurate or true, and these episodes, like I said, three to seven days and they're markedly different from when you are at other times. So if it's like I'm having mood swings every day, or from hot to cold, that's not necessarily bipolar. Bipolar are these markedly different episodes. Say that louder for the people in the back, because that is what people you typically hear.
Speaker 1:No, and I do think it's insulting to those people who actually have, and dismissive, who actually struggle with bipolar in their daily life. Because you're just slaymeline somebody who's just moody, you can be a moody girl.
Speaker 2:And oftentimes mood swings come more with depression than they come with bipolar. In bipolar you have those markedly different episodes where you have little to no sleep but more energy, and it's much different than how you are kind of at other times of your life, so kind of correlates with depressive episodes. You're kind of chronically depressed or low, and then you have these bouts of manic episodes, like I said, that are very, very different than who you are at baseline.
Speaker 1:I was also curious if Keith had any history of being a victim of abuse. We talked about trauma. You did a great job diving in Even episode one about Bonnie and Clyde. If you guys haven't listened to that case, don't shy away if you're not interested in historical cases, because it is super interesting. Joe really goes into a lot of interesting mental health information for us about trauma as well, and so I was wondering did he have a history of being a victim of physical abuse, emotional abuse or sexual abuse? And Sharman did tell me no, not to her knowledge he had not. But I was curious if you are visiting and going in and out of a father's life who is on drugs, what kind of impact that would have?
Speaker 2:So more than even trauma I mean I'm sure there were traumatic things likely that had to happen if he's a substance user but more than trauma with him. I'm thinking attachment to primary caregivers, and so you have four different attachment styles and I'm wondering kind of how that played out in his life in terms of attachment. I wonder, did Sharman talk much about how her relationship with Keith was?
Speaker 1:They had a good relationship in terms of both loving Keith and wanting to have Keith in his father's life. So she tried to make that work so that he could have or relationship with his father. Now she did say that she tried to push this and tried to really make it happen, and she did relay to me that she had some regret of that. Why didn't she just let her own father, Keith's grandfather, step into that role, which he had done while he was alive, and just let it be? Why did she feel as she had to push? But she did say she thought she was doing what was right at the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's all we can do as parents, right. But with attachment, essentially it's kind of having your needs consistently met by a primary caregiver and so, for example, baby cries, mom picks up baby comforts, feeds, changed diaper, whatever they need, and every time I have a need that I express as an infant or even a young child, the caregiver effectively addresses that in a nurturing and loving way. What you're looking at is a secure attachment. There are other attachment styles and so if the primary caregiver is not consistent in meeting needs like maybe sometimes we meet needs and other times we don't, or sometimes we're angry or irritable when we meet needs, or maybe we're anxious because we have other things going on in our life for an extended period of time different attachment styles can kind of present and I feel confident that there's likely not a secure attachment between Keith and his father, and I'm not sure what that looked like between Keith and his mother, but that likely plays into kind of his mental health and status in other relationships as well.
Speaker 1:Keith was not involved in sports or extracurriculars in high school and we know that can be a really good influence on children, especially in a one parent household and he appeared to have been caught up in a wrong crowd in high school and perhaps he was actually leading the way with some of the behaviors for the wrong crowd. He did not tell people no very often and it seemed that he was a bit of a people pleaser. And Sharman takes responsibility. She told me she was an enabler. She called herself the fixer for her son way too much, and something she said she did because she loved him and she thought what she was doing was helping him. But in reflection she told me that she should not have done so much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, good insight and kind of a shout out here for Al-Nan for people who are in relationships with others that are using substances, and you can often kind of get in this codependent and enabling position and it's possible that Keith was in that with his father, kind of that dance, a codependent and enabling position in which negatively impacted self-esteem, self-worth, and then he kind of found that by being a leader in this other group, but also with mom, enabling Keith, the group Al-Nan is incredibly helpful for family members or loved ones or close friends of those in addiction.
Speaker 1:I can link that website in our show notes.
Speaker 2:Great resource.
Speaker 1:You're talking about Alcoholics Anonymous.
Speaker 2:Alcoholics Anonymous. Well, no, not AA, it's Al-Nan, and so again, it's kind of all substance use, but the people who are not using themselves, but in relationship with those Gotcha.
Speaker 1:I will link that in our show notes as well. That's a really good resource. In high school, keith was caught with pills on campus. Now, according to Charmin, she put him into therapy after this to show the school that she was serious about helping him turn his life around and that they were taking the situation actually pretty seriously. And his therapy ran for about six months.
Speaker 1:But Keith told his mother that he didn't really get anything out of it, and she believes him and she suspects it's because his therapist was a much older lady and he didn't really connect with her. He didn't feel any type of understanding in connection with her because they had such a divide. Now she did share that. She was frustrated with this experience as well, because the therapist would not share anything with Charmin about anything that was going on in the sessions and also she wasn't sharing any tools or tips that were being taught to Keith, so she could also that makes no sense Do that? Yeah, that was my question for you. I have a note here to ask you because we know about HIPAA, about protecting your rights, your mental health rights and the privacy of that, but with a minor. That's what I'm curious about, because he was under 18.
Speaker 2:It gets tricky. Fun fact in the state of Tennessee I'm not sure about the state of Texas, but in the state of Tennessee you were considered an adult in terms of mental health treatment at the age of 16.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow you can consent or refuse mental health treatment at 16 in Tennessee. I don't agree with this law, but that is the law when you're in relationship with a therapist or a mental health provider as a minor. So we'll say that that isn't the case in Texas, because I'm not certain If he's under 18, it's kind of a slippery slope, right. What we say is that anytime there's a risk to the patient, we would disclose to the primary caregiver. So if we're struggling with suicidal ideation or self-harm or substances, something like that, we're more inclined to pull primary caregiver in and let them know.
Speaker 2:It's important to always let the patient know that they are first and they are your patient. Mom and dad are not their patient or not the patient. They are the patient. And so when I'm working with an adolescent, I always want to kind of talk to them first about, hey, I'm going to talk to your mom today, this is what I have planned, and kind of get them on board. Let them be part of the conversation so that they don't feel like we're going behind closed doors and talking about them. Keeping that alliance, while also keeping mom and dad informed or primary caregivers informed, is essential with adolescents when working with children and adolescents both right. Having mom and dad in the room the whole session is not something that's recommended or efficacious.
Speaker 1:If she wasn't in the room with you. No, that's normal.
Speaker 2:However, we have to every I would say I don't know three to six sessions. It's good practice to bring primary caregiver in and kind of update them on what we've been working on in treatment, having the patient kind of involved in that conversation. And then, like you were talking, they're alluding to earlier equipping them and teaching them the skills that we're teaching the kids so that they can reinforce those at home. If they come in the office and that's the only time we're talking about those or learning those they're not gonna be using them when they need them in real life. It's like building a muscle right, and so, mom and dad, they're the kind of reinforce that is essential.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what's the point if you're going through else? What's the point if there's no help?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't, as a therapist, I can't be the keeper of all things your child and then send you on the way right. I need to align with you and the child together and equip you in knowing how to support them moving forward.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And you know, as Keith continued to grow, he would party hard and then work hard at his job and he would then repeat the cycle Party all night, go to work all day, repeat, repeat, repeat. And he was taking uppers to keep going and, like I had mentioned earlier, when he would come down from them is when he would show signs of depression. So, according to Sharman's interpretation, again, that's what she would notice. And during all of this, however, he does remain really close with Sharman, his mother, and she says he was never afraid to talk to her about any situation where he needed help or support. They had a very close and open bond and they remained very close and open until he went missing. So Keith would go on to get a job at a very young age in the oil field, which was very common job down in Texas, and he started being a reliable and dependable oil worker at only age 18. And it's the same field that he was still working in at age 26 when he does go missing and Keith-.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's really interesting that he can do benders all night and then be successful in the oil field.
Speaker 1:There's gotta be some drive there, Wow, Some drive to want to keep going and maybe feeling his worth too because he was getting promoted and he was feeling affirmed in that area of his life. And we talk about a lot of times people with high emotional needs or behavior needs or kids that haven't had any consistency. They really liked the discipline and the consistency.
Speaker 2:All kids do. Yeah, they thrive on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which we're behind the scenes laughing, because I'm a hippie mom.
Speaker 2:Do you think I could not be more different in our parenting styles? I'm a little bohemian girl over here. We are polar opposites, but it works In hopes of the time. Her kids need a little structure from Auntie Jo and my kids need a little kum-bye-ya Rest relaxing.
Speaker 1:Just chill, jo. We'll tell the stories about vacations together later. So Keith was incarcerated during the years of 18 through 26, for a little bit of time in between there, but he didn't lose his job. He did not lose his job and this is what happened, according to Sharman. So Keith was driving through the night to visit his grandpa who had just entered hospice. So, knowing his grandpa was likely dying soon, he's driving after a long shift at work through the town to drive home, which was a few hours away, to visit his grandpa before his grandpa died. And so Keith has pulled over for speeding and the dogs of the policeman alert about drugs in the car. So they search the car and they do find drugs in the car. They find acid, which I think that's an intense drug. So the dogs alerted to the car about drugs and upon searching the car they did find acid in Keith's possession, which would not be good for Keith to have that happen. So he did end up going on probation. Do we know?
Speaker 2:how much like was this with intent to sell, or was this just this?
Speaker 1:I do not know how much, and this was relayed to me by his mother so I was not able to procure the documents about this. So just know this was relayed to me by a biased first-hand source though. So we go into that, knowing you know there could be inaccuracies, but that's as far as what was told to us by Mama Sharman. Now he does go on and he's on probation, and while he's working in a town over San Angelo, texas, and he has to continue to do these drug tests as part of his probation. And it was very taxing on Keith to work these really long shifts and for really long hours and then to go and drive and do these drug tests after long stretches of work. And so he was frustrated with feeling like he was tethered to this probation officer. It was Yep and all these rules and he said, screw it forget it.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna revoke probation, send me to jail. And so that's how he ended up in jail in prison 15 months, because he just wanted to do the time and be done with it. So he was serving 15 months in prison. Now, while serving his time, keith was befriended by a man named Josh Torres, and it's discovered between the two of them that Josh and Sharman Keith's mom knew each other from the oil fields because she used to have a job in the same industry and Josh had worked with Sharman and Josh just loved Sharman and so, upon learning that Keith was Sharman's son, josh takes Keith under his wing while they're incarcerated, and Sharman says that Josh completely watched out for Keith and if anyone was to ever try anything with Keith, they would have to go through Josh and his group of people in prison behind bars, and this ends up being a good thing for Keith to have some type of protection behind bars. But also it was relayed that a lot of people just loved Keith and didn't have a lot of problems with him. Now it's a good place to be in prison.
Speaker 1:Josh Torres and his group had a Mexican gang in prison and they said if Keith is going to be a part of Hispanic descent. No, okay, so if Keith is going to be a part of this group, he needs a Mexican name. So, yeah, sharmin had a. I didn't know that they would accept people outside of there. Well, sharmin and Josh were friends and so it was listening to me like that's great, listen here. They gave him, and Sharmin had a good chuckle about this, and she didn't know about this nickname until Keith went missing. Okay, okay, they gave him the name dirty Sanchez. It's funny, keith, in a lot of articles the article titles will say missing man, stephen Keith quote dirty Sanchez, or they'll just call him dirty. But that is where the nickname came from preservation in prison.
Speaker 1:And she does tell me that Josh, josh Torres, does get out, turns his life around, has a family and does keep in touch with her, and she knows that she can rely on him to help her out. If she doesn't understand certain terms from the street that she's learned, she'll call Josh. What does this mean? Can you help me? What it? Can you help me with this Lingo? I don't understand, but he's very supportive and tries to be there for her as well. And you know, I asked I'm just going to be very blunt Was Keith raped in prison, it's possible. And was he sexually assaulted? Was he physically assaulted? And she asked Josh this, and that's when he said if anyone tried to get to Keith, they would have to have gone through his group, his gang, behind bars. And at the time of his disappearance, keith was dating a woman who also had been recently incarcerated and released and he had brought her out to where he was working and they had a very hot and cold relationship.
Speaker 2:Attachment Ding ding ding. As you can imagine, go into that a bit.
Speaker 1:Well, I want to hear more about their relationship first.
Speaker 2:That's all I got bro.
Speaker 1:Oh Done, that is all I got, and at the time of his disappearance, you know he was working in the fields and he was living in an RV camper on site and he was still working up the ladder, getting promotions, and he was trusted as a supervisor flowback supervisor and his dream was to continue to climb this ladder and become a superintendent eventually. Wow, I know he really really had his eyes set on making this a career that he was proud of, and his job was something he was very proud of, wanted to continue to go on, and so much so that, even though he was struggling with all these other things with drugs and partying and these toxic relationships he was doing whatever he could to still show up and get this job done. Yeah, people were relying on him, and at this time of him going missing, it was about the year prior to the missing date that he started running in the wrong circles again, and many wonder if this is what helped attribute to reckless recent reckless behaviors as well. You know he was never not at work, though, and he would never not show up to work. So what I mean about reckless behaviors, I'll go into that.
Speaker 1:So not too long before Keith went missing. In fact, just two weeks before he went missing, joe, he crashed his own car into an 18-wheeler, and obviously this is not good. It was his fault. So now he's also without a car, and we don't have more information about this. Obviously, we have questions. Was he drunk? Was he on drugs? Did fatigue play into this? What are the details about this? And we don't know? What we know is that he crashed his car and he didn't have a car anymore. He was okay, though. No head injury, not that I'm aware of, and that's a really good question. I would love to know that. If there was, it's not documented, it's not known to Sharmin, not known. Okay, such an important question, though, because that could really impact decisions and change Even something as small as a concussion. Yep, so the day he went missing, he was driving a pickup truck, but it was his aunt's, boyfriend's truck, mom's sister, dad's sister.
Speaker 2:Dad's sister.
Speaker 1:So Baba's sister had a boyfriend and he let Keith borrow his pickup truck. Was that side of it, baba?
Speaker 2:was in the substances. What about his family? I don't know. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Not a lot is known there. You know disclosure. I have not talked to Baba. I didn't even reach out to Baba. Most of my information was from articles that I read and coming from Sharmin. So, again, we proceed with that first person bias narrative as well, and we don't have Baba's side. What we have is information about his behaviors from the other side. This takes us to September 5th 2018 on Interstate 10. Near Mile marker 417, near the town Sonora, west Texas, around 940 PM. 26 year old Keith Robertson crossed the median in the pickup truck he was barring, launched into the air and landed, crashed into another vehicle which was driving in the opposite direction. Now, the other driver was severely injured. In fact, the driver was in a coma. But they did ultimately survive, and Sharmin expressed how deeply sorry she was for what her son caused this individual to go through and the journey they had to go through to get better, and she was just so sorrowful for this.
Speaker 2:But Keith fled the scene, so he didn't even stay to see if this person was okay, we don't know what happened to Keith.
Speaker 1:We don't know. You know we're going to talk about this. Was he found? Was he taken by ambulance? Was he given a field sobriety test? We'll talk about those results. And what did the police think upon arriving to this scene? We'll dive deeper into what happened and what didn't happen in episode 16, part two of Two Missing in Texas, with Keith Robertson and you Don't Want to Miss Us. Come on back, guys, and we'll see you next week.
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